Hello Gents,

I was reading through the forum when I came across a page about whether God exists. I am not posting this to create an argument, just thought it might be interesting to some of you. I mean no insult whatsoever and respect everyones beliefs. Now with that said and done....lol... here is some information you might find interesting.

 

YAY or NAY? Part 1

 

IN THE IMAGE OF GOD OR BEAST?

The first man, Adam, was called a "son of God." (Luke 3:38) No animal has ever enjoyed that distinction. Yet, the Bible shows that humans have a number of things in common with animals. For example, both humans and animals are souls. When God formed Adam, "the man came to be a living soul," says Genesis 2:7. First Corinthians 15:45 concurs: "The first man Adam became a living soul." Humans are souls, so the soul is not some shadowy entity that survives the death of the body.

 

Concerning animals, Genesis 1:24 says: "Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind." So while dignifying humans by revealing that we were created in God's image, the Bible also reminds us of our humble status as earthly souls, along with the animals. Yet, there is something else man and beast have in common.

 

The Bible explains: "There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies . . . There is no superiority of the man over the beast . . . All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust." Yes, in death man and animals are also alike. Both return "to the ground," "to dust," from which they came.—Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20; Genesis 3:19.

 

But why are humans so profoundly distressed by death? Why do we dream of living forever? And why must we have a purpose in life? Surely, we differ greatly from animals!

 

Where We Differ From Animals

Would you be happy to go through life with no purpose other than to eat, sleep, and reproduce? The thought repels even dedicated evolutionists. "Modern man, this enlightened skeptic and agnostic," writes evolutionist T. Dobzhansky, "cannot refrain from at least secretly wondering about the old questions: Does my life have some meaning and purpose over and above keeping myself alive and continuing the chain of living? Does the universe in which I live have some meaning?"

 

Indeed, denying the existence of a Creator does not still man's quest for a meaning to life. Quoting historian Arnold Toynbee, Richard Leakey writes: "This spiritual endowment of [man] condemns him to a lifelong struggle to reconcile himself with the universe into which he has been born."

 

Yet, the fundamental questions about human nature, our origins, and our spirituality persist. A huge gulf obviously exists between man and animals. How great is that gulf?

 

A Gulf Too Wide to Bridge?.

A problem fundamental to the theory of evolution is the vast gulf that separates humans from animals. Really, how vast is it? Consider some of the things that evolutionists themselves have said about it

A prominent proponent of the evolution theory in the 19th century, Thomas H. Huxley, wrote: "No one is more strongly convinced than I am of the vastness of the gulf between . . . man and the brutes . . . , for he alone possesses the marvelous endowment of intelligible and rational speech [and] . . . stands raised upon it as on a mountain top, far above the level of his humble fellows."

 

Evolutionist Michael C. Corballis observes that "there is a striking discontinuity between humans and the other primates . . . 'Our brain is three times as large as we would expect for a primate of our build.'" And neurologist Richard M. Restak explains: "The [human] brain is the only organ in the known universe that seeks to understand itself."

 

Leakey acknowledges: "Consciousness presents scientists with a dilemma, which some believe to be unresolvable. The sense of self-awareness we each experience is so brilliant it illuminates everything we think and do." He also says: "Language does indeed create a gulf between Homo sapiens [humans] and the rest of the natural world."

 

Pointing to another marvel of the human mind, Peter Russell writes: "Memory is undoubtedly one of the most important human faculties. Without it there would be no learning . . . , no intellectual functioning, no development of language, nor any of the qualities . . . generally associated with being human."

 

Furthermore, no animal engages in worship. Thus, Edward O. Wilson notes: "The predisposition to religious belief is the most complex and powerful force in the human mind and in all probability an ineradicable part of human nature."

 

"Human behavior poses many other Darwinian mysteries," acknowledges evolutionist Robert Wright. "What are the functions of humor and laughter? Why do people make deathbed confessions? . . . What is the exact function of grief? . . . Now that the person is gone, how does grieving serve the genes?"

 

The evolutionist Elaine Morgan admits: "Four of the most outstanding mysteries about humans are: (1) why do they walk on two legs? (2) why have they lost their fur? (3) why have they developed such large brains? (4) why did they learn to speak?"

 

How are these questions answered by evolutionists? Morgan explains: "The orthodox answers to these questions are: (1) 'We do not yet know'; (2) 'We do not yet know'; (3) 'We do not yet know', and (4) 'We do not yet know.'"

 

A Shaky Theory

The writer of the book The Lopsided Ape noted that his aim "was to provide a broad-brush picture of human evolution through time. Many of the conclusions have been speculative, based as they are mainly on a few old teeth, bones, and stones." Indeed, even Darwin's own original theory is not accepted by many. Says Richard Leakey: "Darwin's version of the manner of our evolution dominated the science of anthropology up until a few years ago, and it turned out to be wrong."

 

Many evolutionists, according to Elaine Morgan, "have lost confidence in the answers they thought they knew thirty years ago." Thus, it is not surprising that some of the theories held by evolutionists have collapsed.

 

Woeful Consequences

Some studies have found that the number of females a male animal mates with is related to the difference in body size between the sexes. From this, some have concluded that human sex habits ought to be similar to those of chimpanzees, since chimp males, like their human counterparts, are just a little larger than the females. So some reason that like chimps, humans should be permitted to have more than one sex partner. And, indeed, many people do.

 

But what seems to work well for chimps has generally proved to be a disaster for humans. Promiscuity, the facts show, is a road to misery strewn with broken families, abortions, disease, mental and emotional trauma, jealousy, family violence, and abandoned children growing up maladjusted, only to continue the hurtful cycle. If the animal mold is correct, why the pain?

 

Evolutionary thinking also casts doubt on the sacredness of human life. By what authority is human life sacred if we say there is no God and view ourselves as nothing more than higher animals? Our intellect perhaps? If that were so, then the question raised in the book The Human Difference would be very appropriate: "Is it fair to treat humans as more valuable than dogs and cats just because we had all the [evolutionary] breaks?"

 

As the newer version of evolutionary thinking spreads, it "will inevitably affect moral thought deeply," says the book The Moral Animal. But it's a cruel morality that rests on the premise that we were formed by "natural selection," through which process, as H. G. Wells put it, "the strong and cunning get the better of the weak and confiding."

 

Significantly, many theories of evolutionists that have nibbled away at morality over the years have fallen before the next wave of thinkers. But the tragedy is that the damage such theories have caused remains.

 

Worship the Creation or the Creator?

Evolution turns one's eyes down to creation for answers, not up to the Creator. The Bible, on the other hand, turns our eyes up to the true God for our moral values and our purpose in life. It also explains why we have to struggle to avoid wrongdoing and why humans alone are so troubled by death. Moreover, its explanation of why we are inclined to do what is bad rings true in the human mind and heart. Please consider that satisfying explanation in part 2.

YAY OR NAY? part 2

 

LOOKING UP, NOT DOWN, FOR ANSWERS

Evolution teaches that a series of changes gradually fashioned us into a higher form of animal. On the other hand, the Bible says that we started off perfect, in God's image, but that shortly thereafter, imperfection was introduced and mankind began a long downhill ride.

 

Our original parents, Adam and Eve, began this descent when they sought moral independence and wounded their consciences through willful disobedience to God. They deliberately drove, as though in a vehicle, through the protective guardrail of God's law and plunged down to where we are now, suffering sickness, old age, and death, not to mention racial prejudices, religious hatreds, and horrible wars.—Genesis 2:17; 3:6, 7.

 

Animal Genes or Flawed Genes?

Of course, the Bible does not explain in scientific language what happened to Adam and Eve's perfect bodies when they sinned. The Bible is not a science book, just as a car owner's manual is not a textbook on automotive engineering. But like the owner's manual, the Bible is accurate; it is not myth.

 

When Adam and Eve crashed through the protective barrier of God's law, their organisms were damaged. Thereafter, they began a slow descent toward death. Through the laws of heredity, their children, the human family, inherited imperfection. Thus, they die too.—Job 14:4; Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12.

 

Sadly, our inheritance includes a tendency toward sin, which surfaces as selfishness and immorality. Sex, of course, is proper in its place. God commanded the first human pair: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth." (Genesis 1:28) And as a loving Creator, he made fulfilling that command a pleasure for husband and wife. (Proverbs 5:18) But human imperfection has led to the abuse of sex. In fact, imperfection touches every facet of our lives, including the function of our mind and body, as all of us are aware.

 

But imperfection has not stamped out our moral sense. If we really want to, we can grip the "steering wheel" and avoid life's pitfalls by fighting the tendency to veer off into sin. Of course, no imperfect human can fight sin with complete success, and God mercifully takes this into account.—Psalm 103:14; Romans 7:21-23.

 

Why We Don't Want to Die

The Bible also sheds light on another puzzle that evolution does not satisfactorily explain: the normal human unwillingness to accept death, even though death may seem natural and inevitable.

 

As the Bible reveals, death was triggered by sin, by disobedience to God. Had our original parents remained obedient, they would have lived forever, along with their children. God, in effect, had programmed the human mind with the desire for eternal life. "He has also set eternity in the hearts of men," says Ecclesiastes 3:11, according to the New International Version. Their condemnation to death, therefore, raised an internal conflict in humans, a persisting disharmony.

 

To reconcile this internal conflict and to appease the natural yearning to live on, humans have fabricated all sorts of beliefs, from the doctrine of the immortality of the soul to belief in reincarnation. Scientists peer into the mystery of aging because they too want to ward off death or at least put it off. Atheistic evolutionists dismiss the desire for everlasting life as an evolutionary trick, or deception, because it clashes with their view that humans are simply higher animals. On the other hand, the Bible statement that death is an enemy harmonizes with our natural yearning to live.—1 Corinthians 15:26.

 

Well, then, do our bodies give any clues that we were meant to live forever? The answer is yes! The human brain alone dazzles us with evidence that we were made to live much longer than we do.

 

Made to Live Forever

The brain weighs some three pounds [1.4 kg], and it comprises 10 billion to 100 billion neurons, no two of which, it is said, are exactly alike. Each neuron can communicate with up to 200,000 other neurons, making the number of different circuits, or pathways, in the brain astronomical. And as if that were not enough, "each neuron is a sophisticated computer" in itself, says Scientific American.

 

The brain is bathed in a chemical soup, which influences the way neurons behave. And the brain has a much higher level of complexity than even the most powerful computer. "In every head," write Tony Buzan and Terence Dixon, "is a formidable powerhouse, a compact, efficient organ whose capacity seems to expand further towards infinity the more we learn of it." Quoting Professor Pyotr Anokhin, they add: "No man yet exists who can use all the potential of his brain. This is why we don't accept any pessimistic estimates of the limits of the human brain. It is unlimited."

 

These staggering facts fly in the face of the evolution model. Why would evolution "create" for simple cave dwellers, or even for today's highly educated, an organ with the potential to serve a million or even a billion lifetimes? Truly, only everlasting life makes sense! But what about our body?

 

The book Repair and Renewal—Journey Through the Mind and Body states: "The way that damaged bones, tissues, and organs patch themselves up is nothing short of miraculous. And if we stopped to think about it, we would find the quiet regeneration of skin and hair and nails—and other parts of the body as well—profoundly astonishing: It goes on 24 hours a day, week in and week out, literally remaking us, biochemically speaking, many times during the course of our lives."

 

In God's due time, it will be no problem for him to keep this miraculous process of self-renewal going indefinitely. Then, at last, "death [will] be brought to nothing." (1 Corinthians 15:26) But to be truly happy, we need more than everlasting life. We need peace—peace with God and with our fellow humans. Such peace can be realized only if people truly love one another.

YAY OR NAY? Part 3 final

 

WHY ALL THE SUFFERING AND WHAT FUTURE?

 

WhaT went wrong? What took place that spoiled the fine start God gave our first parents in the Paradise of Eden? Why, instead of the peace and harmony of Paradise, have wickedness and suffering prevailed for thousands of years?

 

The reason is that Adam and Eve misused their free will. They lost sight of the fact that they were not created to prosper apart from God and his laws. They decided to become independent of God, thinking that this would improve their lives. So they stepped outside the God-ordained limits of free will.—Genesis, chapter 3.

 

The Issue of Universal Sovereignty

Why did God not just destroy Adam and Eve and start over with another human pair? Because his universal sovereignty, that is, his inalienable right to rule, had been challenged.

 

The question was: Who has the right to rule, and whose rule is right? His being almighty and the Creator of all creatures gives God the right to rule over them. Since he is all-wise, his rule is best for all creatures. But God's rule had now been challenged. Also, was there something wrong with his creation—man? We will later examine how the question of human integrity is involved.

 

By man's becoming independent of God, another question was implied: Could humans do better if not ruled by God? The Creator certainly knew the answer, but a sure way for humans to find out was to allow them the total freedom they wanted. They chose that course of their own free will, so God permitted it.

 

By allowing humans enough time to experiment with total freedom, God would establish for all time whether humans are better off under God's rule or on their own. And the time permitted would have to be long enough to allow humans to come to what they considered the peak of their political, industrial, scientific, and medical achievements.

 

Therefore, God has allowed man a free rein clear down to our day to show beyond any doubt whether human rule independent of him can succeed. Thus man has been able to choose between kindness and cruelty, between love and hate, between righteousness and unrighteousness. But he has also been confronted with the consequences of his choice: goodness and peace or wickedness and suffering.

 

There is another factor to consider. Our original parents were not the only ones to rebel against God's rule. But who else was in existence at the time? Spirit creatures. Before God created humans, he created a higher form of life, great numbers of angels, to live in the heavenly realm. They too were created with free will and also with the need to submit to God's rule.—Job 38:7; Psalm 104:4; Revelation 5:11.

 

The Bible shows that rebellion first broke out in the spirit realm. A spirit creature wanted total freedom. He even wanted humans to worship him. (Matthew 4:8, 9) This spirit rebel became a factor in influencing Adam and Eve to rebel, claiming falsely that God was withholding something good from them. (Genesis 3:1-5) So he is called Devil (Slanderer) and Satan (Adversary). Later, he induced other spirit creatures to rebel. They became known as demons.—Deuteronomy 32:17; Revelation 12:9; 16:14.

 

Humans, by rebelling against God, gave themselves over to the influence of Satan and his demons. That is why the Bible calls Satan "the god of this system of things," who "has blinded the minds of the unbelievers." Hence, God's Word says that "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." Jesus himself called Satan "the ruler of this world."—2 Corinthians 4:4; 1 John 5:19; John 12:31

 

What Time Has Shown

What the test of centuries of time has shown is that it is not possible for humans to direct their own steps successfully apart from God's rule. It is no more possible for them to do that than it is for them to live without eating, drinking, and breathing. The evidence is clear: We were designed to be dependent on our Creator's guidance just as surely as we were created to be dependent on food, water, and air.

 

By permitting wickedness, God has once and for all time demonstrated the sad results of misusing free will. And free will is such a precious gift that rather than take it away from humans, God has allowed them to see what its misuse means. God's Word speaks the truth when it says: "It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." It is also truthful when it says: "Man has dominated man to his injury."—Jeremiah 10:23; Ecclesiastes 8:9.

 

God's permission of human rule for six thousand years forcefully illustrates that man is unable to stop suffering. At no time has he done so. For instance, in his day King Solomon of Israel, with all his wisdom, wealth, and power, could not straighten out the misery resulting from human rule. (Ecclesiastes 4:1-3) Similarly, in our day world leaders, even with the latest technical advances, are not able to eliminate suffering. Worse yet, history has shown that humans independent of God's rule have increased suffering instead of eliminating it.

 

A NEW WORLD?

AFTER God's cleansing war of Armageddon, what then? Then a glorious new era will begin. The Armageddon survivors, having already proved their loyalty to God's rule, will be ushered into the new world. What a thrilling new period of history that will be as marvelous benefits flow from God to the human family!

 

Under the direction of God's Kingdom, the survivors will begin to develop a paradise. Their energies will be devoted to unselfish pursuits that will benefit all then living. The earth will begin to be transformed into a beautiful, peaceful, satisfying home for mankind.

The entire earth will be transformed into a paradise home for mankind. That is why Jesus could promise a man who believed in him: "You will be with me in Paradise." The Bible says: "The wilderness and the waterless region will exult, and the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron. . . . For in the wilderness waters will have burst out, and torrents in the desert plain."—Luke 23:43; Isaiah 35:1, 6.

 

Under God's Kingdom, hunger will never again afflict millions. "There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; on the top of the mountains there will be an overflow." "The tree of the field must give its fruitage, and the land itself will give its yield, and they will actually prove to be on their soil in security."—Psalm 72:16; Ezekiel 34:27.

 

No more will there be poverty, homeless people, slums, or neighborhoods overrun with crime. "They will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating." "They will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making them tremble."—Isaiah 65:21, 22; Micah 4:4.

 

Humans will be blessed with all these things, and more, in Paradise. Psalm 145:16 says: "You [God] are opening your hand and satisfying the desire of every living thing." No wonder Bible prophecy declares: "The meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. . . . The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it."—Psalm 37:11, 29.

 

There is so much more but it would take to many pages. I sincerely hope this has helped seom of you and extend warm greetings to you all.

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I'm gonna go to HELL for this............(if I believed in such nonsense!:D )

 

 

The Bible this, the Bible that, blah blah blah. Who put the Christian 'God' in charge? I'm sure some of the other religions might have something to say against that! Why are the Christians right? Why are the Muslims right? Why are the Jews right?

 

Answer? They're NOT! I'm sure the Romans had a different idea, so did the Greeks, so did the Egyptians!

 

All religion is, is the most popular 'story' of the time.

 

Notice that they all go on about them being the 'only true god', well which one is it? And if you happen to be an ancient Egyptian then God is a cat, a bird, a bull.

 

You see.....it's all just sooooooooooooooooo silly. Once all the religious types have had a monster great big fight to see who's mythical 'being' really is the 'creator', clean the blood off yourselves and let me know. I'll be very interested to meet the 'being' and shake it's hand/appendage. I will then get it to explain to me why the **** I should worship it and why I should be eternally grateful and thankful to it!:rolleyes:

evolution. :)

Originally posted by x-biker

Once all the religious types have had a monster great big fight to see who's mythical 'being' really is the 'creator', clean the blood off yourselves and let me know.

 

Unfortunatly the aforementioned goes on every day :( and will continue....

Originally posted by kia99

Unfortunatly the aforementioned goes on every day :( and will continue....

 

Do you know why that is?

 

Cos there are no gods and hence no winner.

Ditto...

 

Do you know what scares me most?, the fact I am a minority in this world, I'm of average intelligence, and know that all religion must be cobblers!!, I suppose I'm what you would call a humanist, I try to conduct myself honestly and respect others, but why are so many millions (or is it billions!!) of intelligent, enlightened people still believing all this cack in 2003??

 

I do envy them in a way, they have the peice of knowing (thinking!) they will go on to something after death, I know I will become non-existant for the rest of eternity, very scary!!

 

Paul

Originally posted by Jezz_S13

Do you know why that is?

 

Cos there are no gods and hence no winner.

 

You can't say that for sure. But I must say, the more we learn about science (Fact's) the more it seems to be dis proving religion...

Rypin,

You wouldn't happen to be a Jehovah's Witness would you, if so when do we get to the part where I burn in hell for being a non believer come the end of the world!!

 

For goodness sake, when can we get back to moaning about our PTU's failing or needing new turbo's!!:rolleyes:

 

Paul

In 1000 years time, they'll probably be worshiping Gandalf or the Lord Harry Potter! LOL! They're popular STORIES of the moment so by the time several generations have twisted it to say what they want it to say, it'll be sold as truth.

 

Isn't it convenient that all the 'proof' of these religions is 'missing'. Where are the ORIGINAL copies of these stories?

 

Why oh why are we wasting our time on this soppy subject? (coz it's still better than working!;) )

Originally posted by kia99

You can't say that for sure.

 

Unfortunatly you can never prove/disprove anything if it doesn't happen or isn't observed.

 

But I am 100% in my mind of it.

 

But I must say, the more we learn about science (Fact's) the more it seems to be dis proving religion...

 

In many cases before we understood physics/chemistry/biology etc people just put things they didn't understand down to the gods, or evil spirits etc.

 

but as you say, we know better than that now.

Science is science. Religion is religion. The two don't overlap unless you try really hard. I notice it's usually the religious camp that cause unrest! (Excepting messers Hawking and Dawkins, who just like to cause trouble. :) )

 

I only skip read that, but it seems like the same old "arguments" for teleology which are trotted out to "disprove" current thinking on evolutionary theory.

 

These usually disprove whatever the author thinks Darwinism is, which bears no resemblence to current scientific thinking. They just demonstrate the author doesn't know what the hell he's talking about with regards to evol biology, paeleontology, etc.

 

Hardly surprising - most paeleontology professors stick to lecturing on matters where they are qualified to speak, rather than attempt to take a sermon every Sunday...

 

(Entertainingly enough Darwin himself nearly became a man of the cloth before he buggered off to the Galapagos... which rather undoes what I just said. Bugger. See what I mean about not talking about stuff you don't know about... :slap:)

 

Can't resist demolishing one myth though: there are plenty of successful and stable polygamous societies - just not in the Christian West.

Originally posted by zevans

Excepting messers Hawking...

 

http://www.kcbx.net/~rloomis/simp251.wav

 

;)

Originally posted by paul newman

For goodness sake, when can we get back to moaning about our PTU's failing or needing new turbo's!!:rolleyes:

 

Paul

 

 

Don't moan......just PRAY to whatever all powerful supreme being you BELIEVE in, and I'm sure He/She/It will fix it for you. Lets face it, they created everything (including Turbos (although they may be the devils work!)) so they should be able to sort it!:rofl: :p

 

Oh no, I forgot, there's the 'Free Will' get-out clause:(

 

:rofl:

wow it appears some of you actually didn't read the post but ran through it. I know it is long so sorry about that, I really put it up for those who were willing to look at both sides.

 

paul newman "when do we get to the part where I burn in hell for being a non believer come the end of the world!!"

 

Hey Paul, yes I am a Jehovah's witness, haven't been all my life. No we don't believe in a place of torment nor do we believe the bible teaches that.

 

Like I said, I understand that allot of people don't believe/want to believe in a creator. I only put this up for those wanting to know. It does NOT make me dislike you because you don't view things as I do. The truth is people can go on for years trying to prove or disprove beliefs, whether they are right or wrong.I didn't believe the bible only a few years ago myself. All I am saying is if you want to see another side here it is. :D

 

Also I agree that religion is responsible for the majority of wars and problems we face today, mainly because of the hypocrisy etc.

Maybe you would want to check this link out, it's a short clip you may find interesting about the Jehovah's witnessess involvement in WWII

http://www.jw-media.org/edu_videos/vcfi_01hi.htm

 

Take it easy fellas.

Originally posted by x-biker

In 1000 years time, they'll probably be worshiping Gandalf or the Lord Harry Potter! ;) )

LMAO

:rofl:

Rypin - do u believe in Elaine Morgan's Aquatic theory of Evolution ?

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

Rypin - do u believe in Elaine Morgan's Aquatic theory of Evolution ?

 

:nelson:

 

 

and its equatic ape theory

 

 

o and http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution.htm

 

;)

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

Rypin - do u believe in Elaine Morgan's Aquatic theory of Evolution ?

 

Personally I think fur is quite an expensive resource and we diverted it to the brain instead, hence no fur. (Except Supra drivers, obviously. Several petrified medallions have been found in the Turkana mudflats near homo toyota skellingtons.)

 

But seriously, Nelson, could you recommend a book? I always wanted to find out more about it...

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

Rypin - do u believe in Elaine Morgan's Aquatic theory of Evolution ?

 

 

Well, I believe in a thing called loveeeeeeeeeeee :rofl: :dance: :rofl: just listen to the rhythm of heart :D

 

 

I'll get me coat now :o

Who gives a fvck, Troll :rofl: :xxx:

Originally posted by XTT

Well, I believe in a thing called loveeeeeeeeeeee :rofl: :dance: :rofl: just listen to the rhythm of heart :D

 

 

I'll get me coat now :o

 

 

God you're touching me...

There's a chance we can make it now, we'll be rocking till the sun goes down...:cool:

Originally posted by XTT

There's a chance we can make it now, we'll be rocking till the sun goes down...:cool:

 

Your son ain't goin' down on ME matey! Not your son, or 'the Holy Ghosts'!!:D I'll keep rocking 'till some females turn up, thanks all the same ya damn HIPPIE!!:D :p

 

 

Well, I've had a crap day today what with breaking down in the Z this morning, being late for work, boss giving me a weeks worth of spreadsheet report to complete in an afternoon, and all the usual customer problems. This place cheers me up more than any knobbin' religion would!:rofl: